French Friday: Trans Athletes & Good Liberalism

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Phil Vischer

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🗓️ 25 March 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Before recently winning the NCAA women’s 500-yard freestyle swimming championship, Lia Thomas competed in the sport as a man. Should that matter? David French talks with Skye Jethani about the complexities of transgender rights, and why we need a more nuanced understanding of what “equal protection” means in the law. Then, French says the real divisions in our culture and politics aren’t primarily between Republicans and Democrats, or between conservatives and progressives, but between a traditional understanding of liberalism and the dangers of illiberalism.

0:00 - Intro
0:48 - Trans athletes
“What Do We Do When People Are Equal, But Not Alike?” (David French article) - https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/what-do-we-do-when-people-are-equal?s=r

34:28 - Liberalism and illiberalism
1:02:45 - EndHoly Post Patreon (now with book club!) - patreon.com/holypost

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0:00.0	David French welcome back. So glad you're with us. Thanks for having me back. Always enjoy it. Yeah,
0:05.8	are you enjoying front of, let's just say French Friday, are you enjoying March madness?
0:09.9	Different alliterated title. No, March madness is a nightmare. It's horrible. It's the worst. I
0:16.4	love it. So I grew up just in Turkey basketball fan and I know I asked knowing that you were in
0:23.2	pain. I guess that was cruel with me. But it's not in B.A. basketball. All right, well, let's hit
0:31.3	the theme song and then we'll jump into our content for today. Yes, what day it is. Oh, it's French
0:38.4	Friday. It's French Friday. So grab your price and say, hey, David French is here to play on French Friday.
0:46.5	It's French Friday. Okay, so you wrote a piece very recently called, what do we do when people are
0:53.8	equal, but not alike? And you use the story of Leot Thomas, who is a collegiate swimmer and NCAA
1:01.7	championship swimmer now to illustrate this dilemma. And it's a conversation that's been going on
1:07.1	for a while when it comes to the issue of transgender athletes and especially women sports. Before we
1:13.2	dive into the particulars of the legal analysis of what you built in this piece, describe the
1:21.4	controversy. What, as you understand it, is the dilemma facing women sports? Yeah, so the dilemma
1:29.2	is summed up basically in a sentence, who qualifies, who qualifies as a woman to participate
1:37.3	in women sports? Does, do trans women, in other words, biological males who are transitioning,
1:46.0	are, do they qualify as women to participate in women sports? And should American law and practice
1:56.1	reflect that the definition of women for women's, the purposes of women sports includes trans women.
2:03.6	And this is something that has been a controversy for several years now. There was a controversy
2:11.2	around a track meet in, I believe, Connecticut, all the way back in, say, 2017, where there were two
2:19.2	trans girls who won going away. And, you know, first and second, won going away in track. And there
2:26.1	has been a number of cases like that since. And not a lot, you know, like one of the things that we
2:34.0	we should not do is exaggerate the extent of what's going on here. This is not something that's
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