Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of The Influence Continuum.

And I got a big smile on my face if you look at the video.

I'm with an old friend and colleague, Rachel Bernstein, who I've known for decades and worked

together with.

She's a licensed marriage and family therapist in L.A., California, and she's been specializing

in helping people recover from cult.

So you were doing the cult clinic in L clinic in LA and New York. You've gotten

into cult intervention and reacclamation for, you say for 30 years. You're on the advisory board

of the International Cultic Studies Association. And you've worked with the Department of Justice

providing support to cult victims

who testify against their perpetrators. Excellent. And you were in the documentary Seduced

about the nexium cult with me. I had a cameo on hypnosis, but I think you were in your office

with India Oxenberg, if I'm remembering

correctly, whose mother is Catherine Oxenberg and was a major force in exposing and bringing

Keith Reneerie to justice for trafficking and racketeering and a whole host of other things.

You've done a ton of media, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, NPR, Bloomberg.

But most importantly, from my listeners, I want to plug your podcast, Rachel, if I may,

indoctrination, indoctrine, and then nation is capitalized letters,

and it's excellent. I've listened to you, and I love your little summaries at the end.

I'm not going to steal that idea, because it's your idea, but it's a great, great touch.

You've also done a webinar series for cult survivors entitled Living in Freedom.

And you have a website, Rachel Bernstein Therapy, and I happen to be an owner of your book that you wrote many years ago for kids about how to talk to your young ones

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