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Freedom to Learn: Dr. Marty West on NAEP Results, Smartphones, & the Future of National Assessments

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4.4651 Ratings

🗓️ 18 September 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

The latest Nation’s Report Card scores are truly terrible: 12th-grade scores reached historic lows and achievement gaps widened. An alarming number of students are leaving high school without basic math and reading skills. Dr. Martin West, vice-chair of the National Assessment Governing Board (NAGB) and academic dean at the Harvard Graduate School of Education, joins […]

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Freedom to Learn podcast. I'm your host, Ginny Gentles. This season, we're diving

0:07.1

into what it means to return education to states, communities, and families, and we're exploring

0:12.7

what becomes possible when education is freed from union dominance and federal control.

0:18.5

The latest nation's report card or NAEP scores are truly terrible and historically low.

0:23.6

Only 22% of 12th grade students are proficient in math, and only 35% are proficient in reading.

0:29.9

Almost half of our country's 12th graders lack basic math skills.

0:34.0

45% of seniors tested in early 2024 fell below the basic benchmark.

0:38.3

That's the highest portion of students to ever fall below the basic level.

0:42.3

But wait, there's more.

0:44.3

The gap between high and low performing students in math was higher than on all previous assessments.

0:50.3

And only 33% of students are considered college ready in math and 35% in reading, a drop for both categories since 2019 when 12th graders were last tested.

1:00.2

Dr. Martin West joins me today to talk through these dismal test results and discuss what happens next.

1:06.0

Marty West is the academic dean at the Harvard Graduate School of Education, a member of the Massachusetts Board of Elementary and Secondary Education,

1:13.5

a faculty research fellow at the National Bureau of Economic Research,

1:17.0

and the editor-in-chief of Education Next.

1:19.8

Dr. West is also the vice chair of the National Assessment Governing Board,

1:23.7

the independent nonpartisan board established by Congress

1:26.5

that oversees the National Assessment of Educational Progress.

1:35.8

Dr. Martin West, Marty West, welcome to Freedom to Learn.

1:39.1

It's great to be with you, Jenny.

1:40.8

Before we delve into the latest NAEP scores, can you explain your role? And let's start with some key

1:46.0

acronym, something that we throw around a lot in the federal education world. What is NAGBY?

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