Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Here's a dangerous idea for you.

In this crazy world where everyone seems to think that everyone else is too hostile and too disagreeable,

the actual problem may be that we are not disagreeable enough, or rather that we are insufficiently

disagreeable in the right sorts of ways.

We are losing our knack for constructive disagreement. So sheltered are we in our own echo chambers,

so insulated from good arguments on the other side, so untrained and unprepared for real disagreement.

That's the claim of today's guest, Janara Nerenberg. She is the founder

and hosted the Neurodiversity Project. She's a Harvard graduate who lectures widely on neuroscience

and diversity. She runs workshops at big institutions like the Stanford Graduate School of

Business. And her new book is called Trust Your Mind,

embracing nuance in a world of self-silencing.

It investigates the psychology of self-silencing,

the toxic impact of groupthink,

and I thought, ha, that's just the cut of my jib.

So I hope you enjoy as much as I did,

the one, the only, Janara and Aaronberg.

One of the things that interests me is the distinction that you make between free speech and free thought,

which I think is a useful distinction to start with maybe, because we spend a lot of time talking

about free speech these days and not necessarily, and it becomes this kind of phony binary where we have like either you're

on the side of free speech or you're on the side of censorship. And there's a lot that that doesn't

capture. What do you mean by free thought? Yeah, I mean, I talk about that a little bit in the book.

It's like, I reference something called thought exposure censorship. It's like if you censor what you are letting into your mind in the first place, then you're limiting yourself, right? You're sort of like you're limiting your exposure to reality in a sense. So,

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