Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that is some level of genius. It also helps

that it's a long time ago, right? It's like the podcast version of telling your kids the ice cream

van plays music when it's out of ice cream. Listen to evil genius on BBC Sounds. Thank you, Jonathan.

Tonight we poke about in the viscera of David Cronenberg. the film director and now novelist whose bloody fantasies may be our bloody future.

To consume, to buy, to create products that are meant to be consumed

is the way of the future, is in fact something delightful and forceful

and sexually satisfying and emotionally satisfying.

David Cronenberg, later you'll hear him on desire, disease,

and the new moral world that he believes is being born right now online.

We'll also invoke the power of anger and ask whether, morally and politically,

it's a useful or a self-defeating

emotion. The human rights campaigner Shami Chacrabati, the Reverend Giles Fraser, and the forensic

psychotherapist Cleo Van Velson are all here, grinding their teeth and ready to let rip.

We'll kick off, though, with an Olivier Award-winning lyricist, who once had a bad-tempered conversation

at a dinner party and turned it into a polemic about the value of rationalism.

Pharmaceutical companies are the enemy. They promote drug dependency at the cost of the natural

remedies that are all our bodies need. They are immoral and driven by greed. Why take drugs when

herbs can solve it? Why use chemicals when homeopathic solvents can resolve it? I think it's time

we all return to live with natural medical alternatives. And try as I like, a small crack appears

in my diplomacy dike.

By definition, I begin.

Alternative medicine, I continue,

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