Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps

that it's a long time ago, right? It's like the podcast version of telling your kids the ice cream

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An old Chinese proverb has it that one generation plants the tree, another gets the shade.

Well, the six architects who joined me this evening here at the Royal Institute of British Architects and who all

belong to one generation have certainly provided the shade under which a lot of us shelter. What I want to

explore this evening is the nature of the shade, how the tree was planted, and just how fruitful and long-living it might be.

The buildings, my six guests, this evening, have designed range from the Santa

Pompe do in Paris to Terminal 3 in Beijing's airport, from the MI6 headquarters and

Lord's cricket ground in London, to the Eden Project in Cornwall. All of the architects here were born in

the years preceding or during World War II, which means all of them lived through the post-war

years of welfare culture, as well as having navigated the more recent, privatised and globalised world. For some, these are indelibly associated with

high-tech buildings, but that seems to me much less interesting than the way they've contributed

to shaping cities across Britain and more recently across the world. We are now for good and bad and urban species,

and its architects such as these will help to make a sustainable urban world,

as much culturally sustainable as ecologically.

My guests this evening are in alphabetical order Terry Farrell Norman Foster Nicholas Grimshaw

Michael and Patricia Hopkins and Richard Rogers

I want to start if I can by thinking them as a generation.

They're born between 33 and 42, if Wikipedia and other sources are to be leave,

which means they came into kind of adulthood in the 50s and 60s.

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