Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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Tonight, art's not a career. It's not even a profession. It's a calling. Don't believe it?

Then listen to Michael Goldfobb on the life of pianist and Holocaust survivor Alex Haert Summer, who died last week 110,

or to the artist and filmmaker Julian Schnabel on surfing and art. And it's with Schnabel that

tonight's programme begins. He came to prominence in the 80s, a decade now again under scrutiny,

so it's no surprise that he has important shows both here and in the 80s, a decade now again under scrutiny, so it's no surprise that he has

important shows both here and in the US forthcoming. Julian Schnabel first enjoyed a claim for

painting in love with material. He was lumbered with the term neo-expressionists, made paintings

with broken ceramic plates,

paintings on velvet, large paintings,

and was rewarded with important shows at Tate and at the Venice Biennale.

Charles Sartier owned quite a number,

and in Oliver Stone's Wall Street, greed is good.

His paintings even hang behind Gordon Gecko. Then with a characteristic

night's move, Julian Schnabel reinvented himself in the 1990s. While he never stopped painting,

he began to make films, among them before Night Falls, which brought Javier Badam to fame.

His first film, though, was Baskiet about his artist's friend who had died.

It's a film marinated in the art world of New York in the 80s.

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