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Well, Hello, and today we're going to make one of the most unusual connections in history here at the Free Thinking Festival at Sage Gateshead.

We're going to find the hidden link between these two famous or infamous characters.

What's your name?

They always call me Jenny and Lorraine.

Here in France I'm Joan.

The soldiers call me the maid.

What is your surname?

Surname.

What is that?

My father sometimes calls himself dark, but I know nothing about it.

You met my father.

Yes, yes, I remember.

You come from D'Oramey, Lorraine, do I think? Yes. How old are you? Seventeen, so they tell me. It might be 19. I don't remember. What did you mean when you said that St. Catherine and St. Margaret talk to you every day? You must not talk to me about my voices. How do you mean voices?

I hear voices telling me what to do.

They come from God.

They come from God. They come from your imagination. Of course, that is how the messages of God come to us. Check made. No fear. So, God says you are to raise the siege of all here. And to crown the Dofine reams Cathedral. Crown the God.

And to make the English leave France.

Anything else?

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