My parents asked me at one point about somebody I was working with and I gave the answer,

oh yeah, he's a very competent surgeon. And my parents freaked out. They're like a competent surgeon.

Like, competent was to them. Like, I don't want a competent surgeon. I want a really good surgeon.

And we had to have this whole conversation about, like, yeah, the the bar for competence is

phenomenally high here. And so all of us are competent surgeons, you know, they're there a few

like exceptions on either side of that bar that really exceed the norm. But to to be board certified

or whatever to to be out in practice to finish like that that bar is really high. And so when I say

competent, I mean, yeah, damn good. Like good enough to be out there doing surgery on live people.

Like, that's a really high bar. And that's also satisfying, right? That's saying that this person

is not the best surgeon that has ever lived. And if we limit ourselves to only the best surgeon

that has ever lived, there will be one practicing surgeon in the world at any given time.

Therefore, we set the bar really, really high. And anybody who clears it gets to go do this job.

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Fred, welcome to the unmistakable creative. Thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

Yeah, thank you, Sreeni. I'm excited to be here.

I am absolutely thrilled to have you here. You have a new book called Better Than Destiny.

And all of which we will get into. But as you know, from having listened to the show,

I will want to start with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the book. And that is

what did your parents do for work? And how did that end up shaping the choices that you've

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