I had so much fun on this podcast.

I had on Kelly Richmond Pope author of Full Me Once and she's one of the world's experts

on financial fraud and scams and how there's basically a trillion dollars worth of fraud

that's happening out there and we got into very deep specifics about all these frauds.

I mean, there's probably trillionaires out there who have just lived off of massive frauds

for generations.

I don't even know what's going to happen.

It's scary.

It's scary what is out there right now.

And so Kelly Richmond Pope and I do a deep dive on all the frauds you need to know about

actually because you want to avoid them.

And I really felt sorry for a lot of people, but it's a good wake up call and here it is.

I think your average business podcast and he's not your average host.

This is the James Altiger show.

Yeah, I got rejected by Bernie Madoff back in the day.

But like I said today, he's the real reject, not you.

Are you?

That's true.

I mean, very bad things happen to him.

But you know, at the time, everybody says afterwards that, oh, we always knew he was a fraud.

But I remember as I was literally going up the steps of the building to meet him, every

hedge fund manager was calling me and saying, hey, how can we get in his fund or try to figure

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