Franklin Pierce, known for being a U.S. president.

Famous for being a factoid about presidents.

Nobody thinks much about him, so let's have some fun.

Let's find out why Franklin Pierce is secretly incredibly fascinating.

Hey there, folks. Welcome to a whole new podcast episode.

A podcast all about why being alive is more interesting than people think it is.

My name is Alex Schmidt, and I'm not alone.

My guest this week is your pal and mine, the great Daniel O'Brien, the Emmy-winning

Daniel O'Brien, for another time just now, just recently. He and the staff at last

week tonight with John Oliver have just won another Emmy for their writing. So I'm extra

gratefully made time in between all of that stuff. That's big stuff. He's also the author of

the book How to Fight Presidents, which matters a lot to this topic. We work together at the former workplace crack.com.

And also Daniel is the co-hosts of the podcast, Quick Question with Soren and Daniel,

with the great Soren Bowie, who you may remember from the Venus episode or tons of other stuff.

And I figure people, again, know about that podcast from Soren and Daniel.

If you didn't know about it,

very excited to tell you right now. Quick question with Soren and Daniel. Also, I've gathered

all of our zip codes and used internet resources like native-land.ca to acknowledge that I

recorded this on the traditional land of the Catawba, Ino, and Shikori peoples. Acknowledge, Daniel recorded this on the traditional land of the Kataba, Inno, and Shikori peoples.

Acknowledge Daniel recorded this on the traditional land of the Lenape people,

and acknowledge that in all of our locations, native people are very much still here.

That feels worth doing on each episode.

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