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And with that, here's this week's show.

Welcome back to Close Freeds.

I'm David Kern, and I am joined by Heidi White, Josh Gibbs and Karen Swallow-Pryor. I always wonder what order to do that in. Is it like disrespectful to make someone go last or is it special to have someone's name last? If you're in the middle, is it mean that you got, you know, pushed off to the side and people are forgetting about you? Josh, how do you feel about your name being read in the middle?

Just like the middle thesis of an eighth grader's essay.

It's like the great conundrum of being the host of a podcast.

Whose name do you say first?

And will someone be bothered if they're named second?

But I'm assuming that neither of you really care about that.

Heidi, welcome back to the show.

How are you?

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