It's so funny because when you look at the guys, that's never a topic of conversation. Yeah. What you look like? Yeah. Did you watch the football last night? It's never about, I'll watch your skincare routine. Whereas women walk into a room and because we've been taught to be pitted against each other. Yeah. Not always, but sometimes there's, oh my God, you know, I can't. It's a bit of a barrier. Yeah, yeah. and it shouldn't be there.

We should be trying to change that stereotype. always, but sometimes there's, oh my God, you know, I can't. It's a bit of a barrier. Yeah, yeah, and it shouldn't be there.

We should be trying to change that stereotype, believing that there is space for everybody.

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Hello and welcome to Frank Skinner's poetry podcast.

Today, well, let me tell you, first of all,

about an act of love at first sight.

I don't know if you believe in love at first sight, but this is what happened.

I was just flicking through an online poetry app, just a couple of poems here and there by various poets.

And I saw a name Amy Clampett, a poet I've

never heard of. And there was just one poem by Amy called Beach Glass. And I just thought, yes,

I love Amy Clampett. She's going to go into my favourite poets.

And I read more, Amy, and I wasn't disappointed.

And it's a sort of a rich, lusterous, baroque style,

someone who luxuriates in language.

And that can be fantastic.

Amy Clampett was, it's American, was an American poet.

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