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The Good Fight

Francis Fukuyama on Global Chaos (and Why You Don't Need to Despair About It)

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 6 July 2024

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and Francis Fukuyama discuss the state of democracy around the world. Francis Fukuyama is a political scientist, author, and the Olivier Nomellini Senior Fellow at the Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies at Stanford University. Fukuyama’s notable works include The End of History and the Last Man and The Origins of Political Order. His latest book is Liberalism and Its Discontents. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Francis Fukuyama discuss the triumph of the French far-right in the country’s first round of legislative elections; President Biden’s disastrous debate performance and what it may portend for the 2024 election; and the state of democracy from India to Ukraine. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

It's that time.

0:03.0

Guess what's brewing at Starbucks?

0:05.0

You already know.

0:07.0

A dash of autumn, hints of spice, topped with whipped cream and blended to perfection.

0:13.0

Wait, is that the...

0:14.0

Yet, the pumpkin spice Rappacino blended beverage is back.

0:18.0

For hot, Ist and all things pumpkin spice,

0:22.0

no one does it better than Starbucks. Subject to

0:26.3

availability while stocks last delivery orders exclude whipped cream.

0:30.8

The Santa's tanked the moment he opened his mouth because it turned out that he had kind of negative charisma, you know, he never smiled, he never showed any human warmth and people could see that you know pretty quickly that he simply

0:44.6

wasn't going to be very appealing to people other than pretty extreme ideologues and I

0:49.9

think that six weeks was still enough time you, for those kinds of faults to come out.

0:55.0

That may not be enough.

0:56.5

But at this point, I would take that gamble.

0:59.0

You know, the Democratic Party's got a lot of younger talent,

1:02.0

and I think that it's such an uphill

1:05.7

slog for Biden to get elected that I would really prefer to go with an unknown

1:11.1

quantity and let the chips fall where they may.

1:15.0

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk. My name is William Deresowitz and I recently wrote a piece for persuasion called

1:29.1

Deep Reading will Save Your Soul. It's about the proliferation of serious programs for the rigorous

1:35.4

study of the humanities that I've observed taking place outside the context of

1:40.6

higher education in recent years. Everybody knows that the humanities

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