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The fact that I saw those kinds of groupthink dynamics unfold for years during the pandemic has left me feeling, you know, very cautious

about any kinds of claims about what science says for purposes of policy. I feel that it's

necessary to go and do some study before I'm prepared to accept on faith, any testimony from

experts as reported in the news.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

It has been about five years since the COVID-19 pandemic ground life in the United States and across many

countries in the world to a halt. And I find that there's a surprising lack of interest in going

back and really trying to understand what happened, not just with the virus itself, but with a societal

and political response to it. What did we get right? And more importantly, what did we get wrong?

Why is it that we ended up engaging in social distancing practices even when the evidence started to show that they may not

make a big impact. Why is it that so many public schools in the United States stayed closed

much longer than in other places? How did we handle the rollout of vaccines? And what does all

of that tell us about our public health authorities, about our

ability to deal with major emergencies, about our ability to sustain robust intellectual debate

in these very high-stakes moments in a deeply polarized society. Well, the best, the most important contribution

to all of these questions so far, I think, comes from two professors at Princeton University.

Francis E. Lee, a professor of politics in public affairs, who is an empirical scholar, a comparative

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