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FOUR YEARS LATER, WILL THEY SPEAK ABOUT COVID? 4/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 13 November 2023

⏱️ 12 minutes

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FOUR YEARS LATER, WILL THEY SPEAK ABOUT COVID? 4/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)


https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248

By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.

​Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.

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She, and the Battle for the 21st Century, the story of the Trump administration's evolving policy towards China, always double track, triple track, doubling

0:57.4

back, never straightforward.

0:59.9

But an event, February of 2018, March of 2018, Robert Lighthouse, the Trade Representative.

1:05.8

Josh, what was the Lighthouse report?

1:08.9

What is a 301 investigation?

1:11.3

Well in early 2018, the Wall Street guys had lost their chance to make a quick deal, and Trump had

1:18.6

turned to his national security people to say, we need to raise the pressure on Beijing and we need to come up with

1:25.2

some tariffs and the mechanics of that were handed over to the US trade

1:29.1

representative Robert Lighthizer extensive experience in this area.

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And what he did was he compiled the most devastating report, government report to date about China's

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illicit trade practices.

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We're talking about unfair subsidies and intellectual property theft and all economic espionage, economic aggression of all kinds.

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