FOUR YEARS LATER, WILL THEY SPEAK ABOUT COVID? 1/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)
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🗓️ 13 November 2023
⏱️ 10 minutes
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https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248
By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.
Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.
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| 0:46.4 | the author Josh Roggan of the Washington Post. |
| 0:50.0 | He is a journalist as well, writes the global opinions column for the post, but now the author Josh Roggan |
| 0:55.4 | to congratulate him for his new book, Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, She, and the Battle for the 21st Century. The book is the story of the Trump |
| 1:05.6 | Administration Evolving Policy with the People's Republic of China. It is also the story right now of the evolving policy of |
| 1:16.1 | new administrations, ad infinitum, Mr. Biden's and whatever follows. We begin |
| 1:21.4 | however with something that one of the principles in the book, Matthew Pottinger, |
| 1:27.2 | at one time Deputy National Security Advisor, Colonel Matthew Pottinger of the U.S. Marine Corps |
| 1:32.3 | retired, quoted in the course of the descriptions |
| 1:38.0 | of the evolving policy of the Trump administration. |
| 1:41.5 | This is from Confucius, from the |
| 1:43.6 | analogs. I read the English translation. If names cannot be correct, then |
| 1:49.4 | language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things. And if language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things. |
| 1:53.1 | And if language cannot be in accordance |
| 1:55.1 | with the truth of things, then affairs |
| 1:57.9 | cannot be carried on to success. |
| 2:01.2 | Josh, a very good evening to you congratulations and the Confucius quote |
| 2:05.2 | identifies to me a reader of irony that the relationship between Washington and |
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