If you have a, under the U.S. constitutions, a freedom of speech claim or free exercise claim,

you definitely want it litigated in federal court and not in state court. And if there's any state court

judges listening, I don't mean to insult you, but you usually don't deal with First Amendment cases.

Outstanding is a production of the Washington Stand, your source for news and commentary from a biblical worldview.

You found the Outstanding podcast. I'm your host, Casey Harper. You may have noticed that

religious liberty and free speech are under attack in America. Christian counselors are

required to use government-approved language on the LGBT issue.

Evangelists can't even preach in the local park.

Several major cases are now headed to the Supreme Court on this issue and issues like it,

but who's going to win?

And what will it mean for you?

Here to explain as an expert on the topic. Jordan Lawrence is a lawyer. He's been working on issues just like these for decades, and we're very glad to have him. He's now the senior counsel at First Liberty, a group representing one of the cases going before the Supreme Court. Jordan, thanks for joining us. It's great to be here. Well, I'm glad you're here because, as I said, you really are an expert.

Let me ask you the question that I just said, if it's true.

Is religious liberty under attack in America?

Well, it is under attack, but I also don't want to make it sound like we're North Korea

and be overly alarmist.

But I would say in the four decades, I know I look a lot younger than I appear to have been doing that.

I was a child prodigy.

For our audio-only listeners, Jordan is not a day over 35.

Yes, that's right.

We are not like North Korea.

So I don't want to overstate that.

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