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Hi, I'm Mina Kim.

And I'm Alexis Madrigal, and you've found Forum in Focus,

a show where we bring you the week's most compelling conversations recorded live on our radio show forum on KQED in San Francisco.

And we do it in just enough time for you to like walk the dog or do the dishes.

And you've got a star on the podcast this week, no?

I do. I do have to say that I'm quite a fan of Rachel Maddow. We were talking about her book

Prequel, which was all about when America fought back fascism during World War II.

One of the things that I walked away thinking about after I talked with Rachel Maddow was just how optimistic and positive she is about America's ability to get through this latest iteration of like a completely paralyzed house and the ability to like I expected her to probably be a little cynical but at the same time really intellectual about it and also very you know measured but she was just very very positive and and I don't know that, that's really hopeful for me, I think. Helpful and

hopeful. Yeah. You know, my interview this week, I actually would file under a rubric in my brain,

which is like stuff that's actually working. We get so oftentimes talking about stuff that's

like broken or that doesn't work or that is unfixable irreparable.

And I had on a woman named Emily Galvin Almanza who started this kind of organization

that does different form of criminal defense.

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