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From KQED in San Francisco, I'm Nina Kim.

Coming up on forum, we'll talk about video games, deep friendship, and L.A.

All things that animate Gabrielle Zeven's novel, and Tomorrow and Tomorrow, which draws its title

from what Zeven calls one of the bleakest speeches in all of Shakespeare, as Macbeth contemplates

life's monotony and meaninglessness. But to one of the novel's characters, the soliloquy is hopeful

and describes the essence of a video game, the idea that if you keep playing, you could win.

No loss is permanent because nothing is permanent ever.

Writer Gabriel Zeven grew up playing late 80s video games like King's Quest 4 and Space Quest 3. And it's their intricate worlds that call to mind her most recent novel, Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow.

It's about three college students who make video games together,

their complicated friendship, and how it informs the games they create.

The novel came out last summer and topped dozens of year-end best-of lists.

Gabrielle Zeven joins me now. Welcome to Forum. Thank you for having me.

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