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Have you ever wondered what a sandwich sounds like? Not much to it, is there? Unless, of course,

it's a Walker's sandwich. Mmm, that is good. Now that's what

Asani should sound like. Go all crisp in with walkers. Delicious.

From KQED.

From KQED in San Francisco, I'm Alexis Madrigal with this special episode of forum from the archives.

Samin Nosrat may be the Bay Area's best known chef after the runaway success of her book and the Netflix show it inspired Salt Fat, Acid Heat. Her follow-up book, Good

Things, is a very different work. It's not a manifesto against the recipe, for one, and it's

as much about the rituals that surround dinner as the food that's on the plate.

We'll listen back to my conversation with Nosrat about committing to community and her tips for building the right infrastructure of connection.

It's all coming up next, right after this news. Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal.

Today we're talking with Samin Nosrat, the best-selling author of Salt, Fat, Fat, Acid, Heat, and her new book, Good Things, which is about the rituals we use to ground ourselves in community and the food that we use to glue ourselves together.

Welcome to forums, Samin.

Oh, I like that. We're just gluing ourselves together with food.

Hopefully not like literally with the food.

So, Simeon, this is kind of an unusual thing for both of us. You have been touring this book all around the food. So, I mean, this is kind of an unusual thing for both of us.

You have been touring this book all around the country

talking about this incredible ritual Monday night dinner.

And I also do this show all the time

and usually have never met the guests

before they come into the studio

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