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From KQED in San Francisco, I'm Alexis Madrigal.

On Monday, our country will once again inaugurate Donald Trump as president.

And once again, it will come as the country is bitterly divided about him and what his administration may do.

And also deeply skeptical about the motives, reasoning, and even humanity of the people who support him. Here at Forum, we thought

that this lull before the transition would be a perfect time to listen back on our interview

with John A. Powell. He's director of UC Berkeley's Othering and Belonging Institute, and his work is all

about communicating and understanding each other's humanity across divides. To special edition

of Forum from the Archives, right after this news.

Welcome to Forum. I'm Alexis Madrigal.

John A. Powell is a legend. A. Professor of law, African American and ethnic studies at UC Berkeley. He's also the director of Berkeley's Othering and Belonging Institute, which, quote, investigates and

challenges social cleavages and hierarchies based on differential power, privilege, and access to resources.

He's been a mentor and model for many and has written several books, including a new one co-authored

with Rochelle Galloway Popottas. It's called The Power of Bridging,

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