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It's Monday, February 7th, 2022. From peach fish productions, it's the just-die Mike

Pesca. On Saturday, Mike Pence actually rebuked Donald Trump on Sunday. All the shows were

all over it. Stunning rebuked. Former vice president Mike Pence rebukes

Trump. The best coverage, though, still incomplete as we'll get to, was ABCs this week because

they had a panel of former Trump advisor Chris Christie, never Trump Republican Sarah

Isgar, and Trump watcher Jonathan Karl, whose analysis was this?

Well, it's striking to see Mike Pence the ultimate loyalist come out and say the words

Donald Trump is wrong. Although that is precisely, precisely, the words actions did a year ago

in January 6th when he came out and he defied Trump. He acted with genuine bravery on that

date, Martha.

Bravery? I mean, I guess lack of horrific constitution of using indecency. I don't

want to just go after Mike Pence as an easy target. I do actually applaud the actual

brave Republicans, figures like Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzenger, that is actual bravery.

We should say so. You'll often hear people on the left scoffing at the idea that they're

brave. No, they've taken the correct stance at great cost and it wasn't thrust upon

them. It was a choice. But that's why I don't think Pence showed bravery in the moment

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