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Intelligence Matters

Former NSA Director Mike Rogers on Cyber Threats, Insider Threats and More

Intelligence Matters

CBS News

Politics, News, Government

4.73.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2019

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

In this week’s episode of Intelligence Matters, host Michael Morell speaks with retired Navy Admiral Mike Rogers, who until recently served as director of the National Security Agency, Commander of U.S. Cyber Command and Chief of the Central Security Service. They discuss Rogers’ three-decade military career, including how he went from serving as a Navy cryptologist to leading the country’s largest intelligence agency, how his dual-hatted role worked in practice, and whether changes to the agencies’ leadership structure are overdue. They also discuss current cyber threats, insider threats, and why global cyber norms remain elusive. Rogers also weighs in on the merits of public attribution for cyber attacks and the appropriateness of offensive cyber measures.

Transcript

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0:07.4

Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal.

0:11.6

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0:16.5

accused of making millions of dollars in a brazen scheme that shattered the lives of countless

0:21.4

children.

0:22.4

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0:27.9

This is the Intelligence Matters Podcast with former acting director of the CIA, Michael

0:32.8

Morel, sponsored by Raytheon.

0:36.8

The cyber capabilities of our adversaries, getting much, much better, getting close to where

0:41.5

we are, how do you think about that?

0:43.0

So getting much better, the first comment I would make is I can't think of a major nation

0:47.5

that is either number one not investing in this capability or two is decreasing their

0:51.6

level investment.

0:52.6

Quite the opposite.

0:53.6

You see the trend and everybody is investing in this.

0:58.6

So part of the strategy had been, you know, I was part of both the Obama team and the Trump

1:02.4

team.

1:03.4

Can we develop a set of norms that we can then build around a broad set of accepted

1:08.0

behaviors?

1:09.0

Many nation states have come to the conclusion that there's little risk for some pretty

1:12.9

aggressive.

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