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Hello again, everyone. Welcome back to software, radio, software, radio on time on target. I'm your host today, Steve Valsberry.

We have a very special guest joining us. He's already on the line with us right now. We have Mike Hayes, former commander of SEAL Team 2. Mike has had a tremendously experienced unlike most of the other special operators you'll meet or talk to.

Mike's done it all. I mean, he was boots on the ground as a Navy SEAL. He's done his time in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan. He's been held at gunpoint threatened with execution in South America. I mean, jumped out of a building getting ready to explode. He's done so many different things and he's also run White House situation room meetings and helped us negotiate a treaty. I mean, he's done it all. He's just recently written a book

called Never Enough and it was a fascinating read because there's so many different stories in there that I think will resonate with all of our listeners. But before we get into all that, we want to welcome Mike to the podcast Mike. Thank you for taking the time this morning with us. We really appreciate you joining us here on software, radio.

Steve, thank you for having me and thank you for this incredible mission that you and software radio support. This is the most special community that our our nation has. We have lots of really incredible people in the soft community and nothing is nearer and dearer to my heart and the opportunity to spend time together today is really exciting.

Yeah, you know, it's funny because reading your book and I went back through it again and I was scribbling notes all over the place. My desk is full of little scribbled notes on so many of the things that you write about.

It goes straight across the soft community. It doesn't matter whether you're army ranger army green beret Navy SEAL Air Force power rescue guys. I think, you know, the things that you write about.

And the things that were important to you and to the SEAL community definitely resonate with everyone. I mean, I don't think there's anything in there that's strictly. Oh, this is just a seal type thing. This is all of our special ops guys. I think, you know, it's kind of.

You know, all of those things that you write about. I think it is important to all the communities.

Well, no, thank you. I, Steve, I wrote never enough because, you know, everything that I've seen and done, whether you know, military government, three companies in the private sector, I just kept coming across the same kinds of principles that can help everyone, you know, people organizations in the country to be better.

The goals, you know, lifting up individuals and helping those individuals to lift up others, the organizations and the people in their lives and just help all of us come together and make a better country. This same exact mission that the soft community lives and breeze.

So the big thing that, like you said, is no matter your role or your place in life, your skills and your talents. You know, I just think everybody can make such a difference. I'll tell you, you know, my SEAL training class, just like like most started with 120 guys in 19 graduated.

And the truth is, like when you finish SEAL training when you're 21 or 19 or whatever you are, you feel really like extremely special.

And you are, but the thing is we're no more special than many, many people across the soft and the greater DOD community. And I think the faster that we learn that that really it's one team and one community.

The faster our trajectory to success.

Absolutely. And, you know, it's funny because again, reading some of your stories, you know, I can draw some parallels when you talk about being miserable. And then one of the guys in your class just burst out laughing and it resonated through the entire, you know, budget class that you were in.

I remember much of the same thing, what we used to call the sawdust pit needs to fill the water. Same thing happened in our class. They were trying to make us miserable.

And then one guy starts laughing uncontrollably. And the next thing, you know, we're all laughing.

And, you know, it's just, it's some of those things that, you know, you remember, you forgot about, but then as I'm reading the book, I was like, oh man, that strikes a nerve. I remember doing that same thing myself.

Well, sorry Steve, you keep going, sorry. No, I'm good. Go ahead.

I was just going to say like it is all about laughter, right? Our job is so darn serious that the most fun podcast would probably be getting a bunch of people on here and talking about the best practical jokes that they've ever played.

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