Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Dore Waltman.

It is Deja vu all over again.

We just last saw each other 18 minutes ago,

and here we are back with another episode

of Surviving the Survivor. Will we survive this podcast that is the question

it is a podcast that brings you the very best guests in all of the true crimes

everywhere in the whole world all of the true crimes everywhere in the whole world all of the true crime yeah that is us the best

podcast the best guest and we are coming to you in a moment uh... traysy if you can hear me

and if you can flip your phone sideways,

that'd be amazing.

But not unless it doesn't, we put it back the other way.

The COE's gonna help you out there. I should never I should never do

anything technical in my life. I am going to introduce everyone in a moment. First I just

want to say that one of our best guests, Tommy Skoville, got a message. Nine years today, heroin-free. His relapse was beer and it was

volume, but nine years and no smack no heroin he says he's

happy to spend the night here he's here in person I'm very proud of this guy

practical this guy, my friend.

Everything in life is about trying to do a little bit better than the last day and

Tommy Scoville has done a hell of a lot better.

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