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The thing that I found sort of exhilarating was the sort of honest dedication.

I wish people could see what was going on in this meeting or they could see how these

people are going about, you know, mapping out this operation that going to undertake.

You know, you can't talk to a lot of people about your job.

You end up feeling as if you can share really only to people who understand it within the

agency and that that's a strength and a weakness in some respects.

Yes.

Every special question for you, you were the first female deputy director, Gina's the

first female director.

Tell people why that's important and why that matters.

I undervalue the degree to which seeing women and a variety of different styles and approaches

to leadership meant to younger women who are coming up through the ranks and who can

say to themselves, you know, that somebody I could be that, you know, I can be the director.

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