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🗓️ 30 April 2025
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0:00.0 | We turn now to our series on democracy, where we hear a range of perspectives on how government should function, what's led to this moment in American history, and where the country goes next. |
0:12.0 | Tonight will focus on the rule of law and President Trump's apparent willingness to test its limits. |
0:17.9 | I spoke earlier with Alberto Gonzalez, dean of Belmont University's law school. |
0:22.9 | He served as Attorney General and White House Counsel under the George W. Bush administration |
0:27.1 | and is the only person to ever hold both positions. |
0:31.4 | Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, welcome to the News Hour. Thanks for joining us. |
0:35.9 | I'm happy to do so. So even though you are a Republican |
0:40.1 | in the last election, you did choose to come forward and endorse Kamala Harris. And saying so at the time, |
0:46.4 | you said Donald Trump is, quote, the most serious threat to the rule of law in a generation. Just a |
0:52.6 | month ago, you said, what we're seeing today is even more than I |
0:56.3 | had imagined. So a hundred days in to this second Trump presidency, what is your assessment? |
1:02.5 | Is the rule of law safe? Is it protected in this country? Well, one of the things that's important |
1:08.2 | for people to understand is that the rule of law |
1:11.1 | constraints power. And there are other things that constrain power, you know, such as norms |
1:15.8 | and institutions, customs, things of that nature. And people who want to exercise powers |
1:22.4 | without restrictions, they want to eliminate or at least weaken those constraints. And so obviously, it seems to be that the rule of law is under some serious stress. |
1:35.3 | Well, the president has lawyers around it, right? He has his general counsel in the White House. He has the |
1:39.7 | attorney general who's advising him on this. And even when you were in the White House under President |
1:44.9 | George W. Bush, you were accused of enabling an abuse of executive power for some of the legal |
1:49.6 | arguments you crafted regarding the war on terror. So is it just true that every White House |
1:55.2 | craft the legal arguments that it needs to move its agenda forward? I think what we're seeing |
2:00.3 | here is the president surrounding himself of loyalists who give |
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