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Woman's Hour

Foreign Secretary James Cleverly MP, Poet Kim Moore, Chief Fire Officer Sabrina Cohen-Hatton

Woman's Hour

BBC

Society & Culture, Health & Fitness, Personal Journals

4.22.9K Ratings

🗓️ 8 March 2023

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

On International Women’s Day we talk to the foreign secretary, James Cleverly MP, as he travels to Sierra Leone to launch the UK’s new international women and girls strategy. Dr Sabrina Cohen-Hatton is one the most senior fire fighters in the UK. The current Chief Fire Officer of West Sussex Fire and Rescue Service has in her 22 year career covered major incidents such as the London Bridge terror attack, the Finsbury Park terror attack and the aftermath of Grenfell. Last month on Woman’s Hour we discussed the fire service after recent reports hit the headlines of allegations of bullying and sexual harassment of female fire fighters at different services. Last year, an independent review found the London Fire Brigade to be institutionally racist and misogynistic. Just seven percent of fire fighters are women and there are even less in high leadership roles. Sabrina joins Nuala to talk about her new book The Gender Bias The Barriers That Hold Women Back, And How to Break Them, which unpicks why women are judged differently, and how we can tackle those biases, and also tells us whether she thinks the fire service has a problem with women. Sunday marked the end of the European Indoor Championships in Istanbul, a golden weekend for Team GB women. Keely Hodgkinson retained her 800m title before team captain Jazmin Sawyers won a long jump Gold, earning her a first major title of her senior career with a world-leading jump of seven metres. Jazmin now holds the British Indoor record and joins Nuala. What is it like to be a poet, a woman and a performer of poetry at this particular moment in time? Kim Moore aims to answer this question in her new book Are You Judging Me Yet? Poetry and Everyday Sexism. The book contains poems from her collection All the Men I Never Married, for which she won the Forward prize last year. She explains to Nuala McGovern why poetry is the perfect medium for exploring sexism.

Transcript

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts.

0:05.0

Hello, this is Nulem Agavren and you're listening to the Woman's Hour podcast.

0:09.8

Self-described feminist, foreign secretary James Cleverley, in a moment, on why he is heading

0:14.7

to his mother's birthplace off Sierra Leone on International Women's Day.

0:18.8

He also gives me a cast iron guarantee that Britain will not leave the European Convention

0:23.5

on Human Rights over the new small boats migration policy.

0:27.4

And why he also feels sometimes you have to negotiate with the Taliban.

0:32.1

Also, we'll talk about this quote from one of my guests today.

0:36.3

When I joined the fire service at 18, only 1% of us were women.

0:40.5

Now I'm a chief fire officer and there are more chiefs called Chris than women of the

0:45.5

same rank.

0:46.5

I'll be speaking to Dr Sabrina Cohen-Hatton on how it is to be in that space and also

0:52.1

ask her whether the fire service is having its me to moment.

0:57.1

The poet Kim Moore, she'll also be with us and she says she finds it easier to broach

1:02.3

the topic of everyday sexism through poetry than around a kitchen table with friends,

1:07.6

we'll find out why.

1:09.8

And the 7-meter woman, who's only 5'4", I'm talking about Jasmine Sawyer's and her record

1:15.9

breaking long jump.

1:17.6

And what about this from Jasmine, talking about her younger self?

1:21.5

For 10 years it's been something I wanted over and over, it's been that pushback on

1:25.5

my own belief.

1:26.8

I felt like I proved my younger self right.

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