My name is Sunny Bunch. I am culture editor at the Bork. And I'm very pleased to be joined today by

Chuck Klosterman, who is the author of a new book titled Football, just football. And I got to say,

this is, we were talking a little bit before the show. This is, I'm, this is very exciting for me,

because I've been reading you for 25 years now. So this is a lot of fun for me. Your new

book is really interesting and I hope people check it out. Thanks for being on the show today.

Oh, it's my pleasure. Thanks for having me on. Yeah. I'm going to start a little bit oddly here.

And I hope folks bear with me here for a second because I want to, I want to digress slightly.

Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, just died.

Dilbert, I think it would, I think it's hard for people who did not grow up in a certain error to understand how big Dilbert was.

And Dilbert, not even the best daily comic strip, right?

Not even, not even, but it was enormous.

Millions of copies of his books sold.

Millions of calendar sold.

There was a TV show.

There was a Dilbert TV show.

That could not ever happen again.

I think it's fair to say that that sort of thing could not ever happen again because the world of media has

changed so much just in the last 15 years, 10 to 15 years, the decline of daily newspapers,

etc., etc. The daily comic strip does not exist in that sort of monocultural form anymore.

The premise of this book is at least partly that at some point in the future, possibly

somewhat distant future, maybe after we're dead, football will be the same way.

People will not understand how big football is.

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