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Shaped by Dog with Susan Garrett

Food Luring VS Shaping In Dog Training: How Science Changed How I Teach Dogs #175

Shaped by Dog with Susan Garrett

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4.8679 Ratings

🗓️ 2 September 2022

⏱️ 26 minutes

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I use shaping rather than luring with food or toys in my dog training. In the 80s, I was taught to food lure and correct, learned to do it well, and luring brought me a lot of success in obedience and agility. Luring can have benefits, but I decided to change. When I say I don't lure, it always gets a lot of comments and questions on social media, so in this episode, I'm covering the top ten reasons I prefer shaping.

 

In the episode you'll hear:

 

• The advantages of luring, how it can be easy to teach people, and its popularity.
• What I heard from my mentors Bob and Marian Bailey about luring.
• How my dog Shelby gave me my first “ah ha” about luring.
• About a class I took at University and what I learned about backwards conditioning.
• A review of Pavlov’s experiment with bells, food, and dogs.
• What happens in dog agility and other sports with luring and dogs who love to chase.
• How luring can turn into bribing the dog, and that dopamine kicks in at choice points.
• What I noticed about motivation and treat bags when I was teaching dog trainers in Japan.
• About pattern training and its relation to luring dogs.
• How the value dogs have for the food can override everything.
• The reason to know what you are reinforcing when your dog sees the cookie.
• That shaping gives us layers to create complex behaviors.
• Why I think shaping can become part of our whole life.

 

Resources:

 

1. Podcast Episode 171: Dog Training With Layered Shaping: Why Classical Conditioning Must Come First - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/171/
2. Podcast Episode 174: Dopamine In Dog Training: Anticipation, Rewards, And The Transfer Of Value - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/174/
3. Podcast Episode 145: 10 Ways To Teach A Dog To Lay Down And How To Shape It Without Luring - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/145/
4. Podcast Episode 173: Target Training For Dogs: How, Why, And When To Fade Targets - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/173/
5. Podcast Episode 172: How To Teach Your Dog Anything With My Training Plan - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/172/
6. Watch this Episode of Shaped by Dog on YouTube - https://youtu.be/FxAeS2BNvKY

Transcript

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0:00.0

A week or two ago, I made a comment on social media that I do not use food lures or toy lures

0:07.6

in my dog training. And that created a lot of conversation, some hurt feelings. And I did say,

0:14.9

listen, I will address the reasons why in a podcast. Well, I thought at best that I explain how I train first,

0:22.8

which I have been doing over the last couple of weeks, which has led up to today's podcast

0:27.6

all about why I choose not to use food luring in my training. Hi, I'm Susan Garrett. Welcome to Shape by Dog.

0:45.3

I am going to preface today's podcast by saying, I was taught to food lure way back in the 80s.

0:53.5

The books I read back in the early 80s all about

0:56.8

dog training. I was training other people's dogs back then. They were all about lure and correct.

1:01.4

The first school I went to taught lure and correct. I started teaching for that school.

1:07.1

I learned how to lure and correct so well. I ended up having Jack Russell Terriers that got

1:12.4

perfect scores and obedience. My border collie was one of the top obedience, agility, and flyball

1:18.3

dog in all of North America. So, I learned to do it and learn to do it exceptionally well.

1:23.9

So, why change, Susan? Before I get to that, I'm going to state what I saw back then as some of

1:31.3

the advantages to using luring in your training. First of all, it's simple. It's super simple for somebody

1:38.1

who's an educator of people how to teach them how to train the dog with a lure. Just stick the

1:44.1

cookie on the nose and get

1:45.5

the dog to move into positions. I don't have to explain it to you. You probably have lured

1:49.9

a dog at some point in your life. So, it's easy for the educators to teach the people how to get

1:56.0

their dogs to do something, right? Sit down, stand, come, spin, whatever it is that you want to do.

2:02.8

Number two, you're in with a vast majority. I would say of all the people who use positive

2:08.2

reinforcement using food, I would say probably it's 95, 98, maybe more percent of them

2:14.7

use food lures as part of their training, at least to initiate training.

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