Hello and welcome to the Work for Change podcast.

This is episode number 78 of the Work for Change podcast.

As you guys can tell, I am not joined with my brother Jean, spelled like Jean. My name is John with the silent H.

I'm so glad that you guys are here.

So like I said, we are episode number 70.

I was actually looking at my phone to make sure that was correct.

So today we have a really, really cool

interview so I was actually able to interview Dr. CJ de Palma who is actually the

person that is helping me right now with my back injury.

And so he's helping me rehab.

He is, he does a lot of physical therapy.

I mean, that's what he does.

And he, I really, really like his philosophy when it comes to pain, dealing with rehab, rehabbing

an injury.

I think that this can be a really interesting episode.

I would say that for anybody really really but like anybody that has dealt with pain in the past

Whether it's an injury from working out or just moving around I would say that pretty much everyone on the planet is going to be injured at some point.

And a lot of those end up being like back injuries, shoulder injuries, you know, things that are

related to working out fitness, but then also just kind of related to being a human and dealing with injuries.

So I really, really thought this was a cool conversation selfishly for me because he is a person

that's helping me, so I was able to ask some questions that I genuinely had.

But then stuff that I think is really, really helpful for someone out there

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