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In total, Laura and her team, which at this point included Kelly Bouter from the Indianapolis Conviction Integrity Unit, made two trips to see Detective Alan Jones.

Three, I guess, actually, if you count the pre-trip from Eric Mason, the private investigator. On the first real trip, Jones had made the mother of all admissions,

that he hadn't turned over to prosecutors' key evidence implicating another potential suspect. Joseph Webster.

That key evidence, remember, included a handwritten note indicating that a guy named Eddie, aka Bo, had seen Looney shoot Casey Shane.

If you're like me, you're thinking, okay, well, pretty much a slam dunk. Case closed.

I had put it this way. We had enough to prove a Brady violation and maybe enough to overturn Leon's conviction,

but I would not say that it was a slam dunk, because Leon had already put a lot of this evidence in front of different courts over all these appeals, and he'd lost.

I didn't feel like we could go back this last time without turning over every single stone, and that meant finding out everything we could about Joseph Webster.

And you need to know more about Joseph Webster, because the more you're able to introduce about his alleged culpability, the more you're able to point out the exact sort of things that a jury should have heard at Leon's trials in 1999, but didn't.

Yes, and it wasn't just Dakaria Fulton's ID, although that's really powerful. Joseph Webster is all over that police style.

He was named as the killer by two different people who called crime stoppers, and they supplied other information that suggested that they actually knew what was going on and were telling the truth.

So we had all of that, but actually the wildest thing we found was something that wasn't in the police file at all, because it happened much more recently.

It involves a traffic stop in 2017.

So 2017 is 18, 19 years after Casey Shandai has told me about what happened in the traffic stop.

What happens is Webster gets pulled over because the police say he has tinted windows, then they search his car, and they find out that he has met the amphetamines and a handgun.

And because he has two felony convictions already, he's facing a ton of time in prison.

So he agrees to become an informant for the FBI, and he ends up becoming a key part of a major federal case, which took down a violent drug organization that's known as the Grundy Crew, and their alleged should carry out more than a dozen murders.

His testimony ends up bringing down the main guy, Richard Grundy III, and Webster's almost solely responsible for bringing down one of Grundy's co-definance, which is a guy named Ezell Neville.

That's interesting, really interesting, but all of this has happened decades after Casey's killed.

I know, but as I'm reading the transcript of Webster's testimony against Ezell, I notice that he calls him by a different name.

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