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Alan Dershowitz joins us today, Harvard Law Professor, of course, renowned litigant, author of many, many books,

First Things Amendment expert, and we had him on a year and a half ago or so for his previous book.

We has a new book called The Preventive State, The Challenge of Preventing Serious Harm while Preserving

Essential Liberties. That's our topic today. Welcome, Professor Derswitz. Thanks for having me on.

I appreciate it. First, we have an introduction by Justice Stephen Breyer. You two go back a

pretty long way, don't you? We clerk for the same justice. I helped pick him to succeed

me, and then we served on the faculty together for many, many years, so we're close. We don't

agree about everything, but we admire each other, and so I was very happy to have him write the preface to the book. And,

you know, he says some very, very nice thing. So I appreciate you. Well, from what you just said,

I guess he owes it all to you. No, he doesn't. He owes it all to his own brilliance and his

ability as a great judge. But I'm glad to have been his friend.

So your framework for the book really rests on two historical conditions that we're in now.

One, massive threats have never been more potent.

I mean, threats to, you know, national security, terrorism, to,

you know, life and living for many, many people. That's one. That's the negative. We also,

though, have the positive, which is our capacity to predict them has never been better. Tell us

more about this condition. We've always had dangers, obviously,

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