Welcome to the Sports Media podcast.

I'm your host, Richard Dight, my producer Patrick Antonetti.

This is a first look where we give you a preview of an upcoming interview.

Our guest is Bougar McFarland, the ESPN and ABC NFL and college football analyst.

You can hear the entire interview on Monday, and it's a good one.

We cover a lot of stuff, including why Booger has maintained a really nice career and success at ESPN now for more than a decade.

That's a long career in broadcasting and he continues to get assignments. But in this preview clip, Berger,

as part of a longer conversation on sports gambling, especially with the news that's happened in the NBA,

I asked him about playing cards on some of the flights he took when he was an NFL player.

So he offers a story about one of the card games that was played and the biggest pot that he ever won.

So first look with Booger McFarland.

When you were playing, I would assume,

plane flights and stuff, a lot of card games and stuff like that.

That seems to be...

Oh, no, and these aren't just card games,

but we're talking five or ten bucks.

These are card games where there were a couple of a couple of times.

There was $15, $20, $30,000 cash on a tray table.

And, you know, we're not playing complicated games.

Like the favorite game of most planes flights is called In Between.

And it's really simple.

You get four decks of cars. And it sounds

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