Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDS Nation?

Welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guest

in true crime. And CO COE for the last 637 shows I've been

meaning to tell you I think our voiceover guy mispronounced our last name I think

he says Walden not Waldman that is going to have to be

fixed and you have to find a new voiceover guy and maybe Chris Anderson is our

man. Apologies for coming to you a couple of seconds or maybe minutes late.

I thought it was on my end and the COB was given me.

I was taking the heat and Chris Anderson, the chief was here to see it.

See how long have you known this by the way that there he's saying Walden I

been hearing it forever drives me crazy I try to pretend I'm not really hearing it.

G.B. says my favorite Birmingham detective everyone knows the chief and

Anna Sinoda is also joining us. I'm not going to do the official official but Chief is best known I guess

from First 48 who's a detective there he's got a book out now called Man You're crazy about mental health and the police, and the case is his other book.

So, and is it the Cookie Juice Podcast?

Am I missing in crime and cookie juice

that's it okay that's an important part of a crime and cookie juice

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