Hi everybody, welcome to FireSci chat number 219 219 you should watch all the other 218 by the way

They're worthy of watching anyway

On rare occasion I have a guest

Because nearly always it's my chance to just talk to you whatever's on my mind and then take your questions

But sometimes there are truly special people with an incredibly important message

And I invite them to my home and to our a fire side chat

And I just want to tell you as this is coming out between Christmas and New Year

You would think it would be normally a very lighthearted

Fireside chat, but there there is always lightheartedness or at least nearly always in these chats

But to I just tell you in advance

the lightheartedness of this

is the good that this man does

But the subject is certainly not light the subject of trafficking

My guest is Tim Ballard of the organization operation underground railroad

The underground railroad history in the United States of course is bringing a slaves to freedom

But that's exactly what he is doing is bringing slaves to freedom

But it is not based on race at this time

But rather on age, on sex

And we'll find out what else

But it's best known in its trafficking mode

But it's not the only form of slavery as we will find out

So let's play the opening question because it happens to coincide with our subject

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