Hi everybody, welcome. I'm Dennis Prager. This is a fireside chat. That's the fireside. I will chat but not alone as you does does everybody see my guest already or is it only on me? Good. And of course auto is here.

And it is a very rare fireside chat that I have a guest. So it's an immediate statement of my belief in the importance of what they have to say.

And nobody has more important things to say than Douglas Murray who is British and who is an independent and courageous voice in Britain. Right for the spectator has written major books.

I've had them on my radio show. I coach your books.

I learned now you started writing at 18. Yeah.

Well, you probably started earlier than that. You were published at 18. Yes. My first book was outrageously, precociously early.

Yes. You know, I just want to say for the record, my first book I was 24 and I thought that was impressive. So that shatters that.

This is the purpose of life I am convinced is to be humbled on a regular basis.

Oh, it's very easy when you think I mean by major both of us were doing that keeps admitting everything. Oh, yeah. I know.

Or you know, Mozart had written 12 symphonies exactly. It's endless. That's what I'd be life is permanently humbly.

Anyway, Douglas Murray is the author of the madness of crowds. That's the latest of your books than the strange death of Europe.

Which is just there they're both extremely significant.

So let me begin with.

With a question that I ask all these independent voices.

That I have the honor of talking to.

I have a theory, but I'm not going to tell you my theory to light. I get an answer from you.

How does somebody like you develop and I very specifically.

I've always said there are many fine traits kindness honesty, decency loyalty.

But the rarest of all the good traits and the most important is courage. And it's the rarest you have that.

And I'm not complimenting you. It's just the fact even if one doesn't like you and I do like you obviously, but if you have courage.

Do you know where that comes from?

It's very hard to say if yourself.

...