Firefighter Firebugs: The Small but Impactful Phenomenon

Criminalia

Shondaland Audio and iHeartPodcasts

True Crime, Society & Culture

4.4 • 1.2K Ratings

🗓️ 4 July 2023

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Firefighters who set fires, officially called 'firefighter arsonists', may be small in number, but they definitely make an impact. While things like insurance fraud and covering up another crime are common motives for arson outside the firefighting community, experts say those aren't what drive firefighter arsonists. So how does this happen? How does a firefighter turn into arsonist? Well. Let's take a look.

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1:49.0	When Oli's Home Center hardware store on Pharaoh's Avenue went up in flames on the evening of October 10th, 1984 in South Pasadena, California,
2:00.0	the fire destroyed the building and killed four people inside.
2:05.0	Arson investigators declared the cause was electrical in nature and that it was accidental.
2:10.0	But a man named John Orr disagreed with that assessment and was sure that it was set intentionally.
2:18.0	John Orr is a former firefighter, fire captain and arson investigator.
2:23.0	He's also a convicted serial arsonist and the hardware store is just one example of his crimes.
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