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Welcome to the Kindlead podcast. I'm your host, Haley Williams. The heart behind Kindled is to help moms use their gifts for God's glory and their good. We'll chat with real women who are learning how to do this very thing as they navigate motherhood, work, and the grace we need for both. This heart to heart is always had over a

cup of coffee and usually paired with a business pep talk. We hope you'll find practical

advice and the encouragement you need to work well and live more. Okay, so here we are on Kindled again for the second time this week. This is a surprise episode. And I don't ever really do this because normally my problem is that my episodes are too long. But what happened in this case with Holly McElell in talking about humor and laughing was that we actually

just had such a good time that I forgot to ask all of the questions that I wanted to ask. And so I

begged Holly to come on again and chat with me so I could follow up with a few of the burning

questions that I had after listening to our interview. It doesn't take much begging.

Let's face it.

Well, yes.

Well, thank you.

I really appreciate it.

And yeah, and it just speaks to your personality that I was just so caught up. And actually, most of our conversation was about gardening, not about humor.

So it's pretty funny.

But, Holly, I did want to ask you.

So we talked a lot in our first interview about humor kind of in the church and with women in general and the history of like where women

are kind of coming out of into a place where they're free to laugh and free to be funny and

and be a Christian and be funny.

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