Finding God In The Shame w/ Lisa Harper

Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts

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Society & Culture

4.8 • 6.7K Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2025

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Some conversations feel like a hug you didn’t know you needed. This is one of them. SJR and Lisa Harper pull up to talk about the kind of grace that finds you in the middle of your mess, the love of God that never walks away, and what it means to grow through criticism without losing your softness. They unpack ministry wounds, performance-based faith, recovering from religious shame, and how to hold your calling without breaking your heart. This episode is a full-circle moment for the girls who’ve wrestled with not being “enough” for the Church but know they’re still called. If you’ve ever felt like you're building something while battling what’s behind you, go ahead and lean into this conversation.

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0:00.0	If the Lord has made it clear that you are supposed to be in that space,
0:04.0	heavy on the IF, okay, heavy on the IF, it is my belief that the Lord sees you,
0:10.0	and the Lord has plans to prosper and multiply you in that space.
0:15.0	Theology is not about accruing datum about who God is.
0:20.0	Theology is about intimacy with Jesus. Then that should translate
0:23.7	into more healthy relationships with the other image bears. We get to rub shoulders with.
0:30.1	I am both back from Ghana and not back from Ghana at the same time. Do you understand what I'm
0:34.9	saying? I cannot catch you up on what has not occurred yet,
0:43.9	but I am on my way and I am going to share any and everything that is connected to our trips.
0:48.8	So hold what you got, hold what you got. But this episode is one that I feel like you're going to fully enjoy. I would tell you how I'm doing, but it would sound just like I was doing in the last
0:53.2	episode because I may be recording these on the same day, but don't worry about it.
0:57.9	Calm down. Everything's fine. When I do next week's episode, you're going to be minding so
1:05.9	much of my business that you are going to wish that I was still back in Ghana. So without
1:10.1	further ado, I'm going to jump right into your business because I have none
1:13.8	in mind to currently share.
1:17.7	Hey, Sarah, first of all, love you.
1:20.7	And just all that God is doing through your ministry.
1:24.2	My question is, girl, so I've stepped into more of a leadership role at my church.
1:32.9	And it's my first time really working in ministry and being this close up.
1:38.4	I've experienced a lot of church hurt growing up.
1:42.8	I always said I never wanted to get this close to church and really be involved in this
1:48.0	way because I've seen just all the things that happen behind the scenes.
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