Our next guest joins us now, CEO and founder of Input Output,

Charles.

Good to be on. Thanks for having me.

I think we can start calling you friend of the show now.

Yeah.

I think we can.

Our last guest, Nick from BlackRock, was saying we're living through

volatile times right now. We're talking about volatility in the market. Just kick us off.

How are you watching volatility right now? What are you focusing on? I mean, you have to get pretty

desperate these times. We're looking for like new demographics to bring into crypto, AI agents,

uncontacted tribes in the Amazon,

you know, all kinds of people. But, you know, I've been in it in tough times and been in at

good times. This one particularly stings because we expected a really strong cycle in 2025.

I mean, we didn't quite get it, so a lot of people pretty bitter about it. But the good news

is we're looking for a new narrative. I saw this in the first to second generation turnover between Bitcoin to Ethereum and again with Ethereum to the third gens. So I think when we get to that new narrative, it's going to bring a lot of new people in and it's going to revitalize and refresh the markets. We just got to get through the next 90, 180 days. It's going to be tough. what do you think in your opinion what is driving that narrative most of kind of

the 90 to 180 days, it's going to be tough. What do you think, in your opinion, what is driving that narrative most of kind of the

hesitancy, the worry?

Is it about sort of the political spectrum and tariffs?

Is it more that sort of people were chasing high highs and then they realize, oh, maybe

this isn't going to be as green as we thought?

Or is it just, you know, the hype train that is inherent in crypto

leads us to sort of always want this up into the right.

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