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Welcome back to the fighter versus the writer.

I'm Damon Martin.

He is UFC legend Matt Brown. And Matt, we are coming off a weekend where we had UFC Shanghai at like 6 o'clock

in the morning.

I assume you probably didn't even wake up that early to watch that card.

Didn't miss a lot, although we did get some drama before him with Brian Ortega not making weight and having all that debacle.

And then this weekend we got Misfits Boxing, Darren Till versus Luke Rockhold and Tony Ferguson against Salt Poppy.

I know you're a big Salt Poppy guy.

And so we got kind of a weird weekend of like, and then they're doing the real American freestyle for the first time wrestling here in Ohio. They're doing in Cleveland. Oh, yeah. Couple events, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a, not a UFC event, though. But first off, who the hell is Salt Poppy? He's some social media influencer who crossed over and did boxing. And he's like six and and two he has a lot of knockouts but when

he's fought like a real guy he's lost but you know he's kind of like the kind of like the not as

good jake paul like he was just an influencer to decide to try boxing and actually actually did

get a couple pretty nasty knockouts but then he fought like a real dude and you know kind of got

beat up so so the question is is tony ferguson a real dude is he still is his heart still beating my my opinion and i mean this with the absolute utmost respect for a guy like salt poppy who right after the story came out he followed me on on twitter and i appreciated that so i don't want, trash to do, because I think he's like, for what it is, he's a talented guy. Like, he went from being just like a dude, like on social media and learned how to box a little bit and got some knockouts. Good for him. But unless Tony Ferguson is so completely cooked that he's just, like, dead, he should win this going away. Like at his worst, Tony he should win this going away like at his worst tony ferguson should

win this fight well that's the thing is tony was never a great boxer but he's just so

fucking tough you know and the fact that he's still fighting just shows how fucking tough he is right

and that's it's like his own blessing and his own curse right like it's not like

he was out there you know being out slicking guys and jabbing and moving his feet and all these things like

he would walk forward and take a couple shots and just throw more than you threw a him yeah he was

i mean i think the weird thing about this is like of all the guys who've done the boxing crossover, I think Tony would probably be pretty low on that list and not because he's not a good fighter.

He was an incredible fighter.

But he was like a pretty well-rounded guy.

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