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Fetal Personhood as 'The New Civil War over Reproduction'

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Politics, News, News Commentary

4.6 • 656 Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Overturning Roe v. Wade was never the end goal of the anti-abortion movement, says UC Davis law professor and leading abortion historian Mary Ziegler. It was always to establish personhood for a fertilized egg, subject to equal protection under the Constitution. Should the “fetal personhood” movement succeed, then providing, assisting and even obtaining an abortion could be criminal acts. Ziegler joins us to break down the fetal personhood movement’s legal strategy — and what it could mean for abortion access, contraception and in vitro fertilization. Ziegler’s new book is “Personhood: The New Civil War Over Reproduction.” Guests: Mary Ziegler, professor of law, UC Davis School of Law Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Overturning Roe was never the ultimate goal of the modern anti-abortion movement, according to UC Davis historian Mary Ziegler.

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It was always to establish personhood for a fetus or embryo, with constitutional recognition and protection.

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Ziegler joins us to break down the movement's current strategy, with Trump's election and the high-level appointments of abortion foes,

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and what it could mean for abortion access, IVF, criminalization, and more if the movement achieves personhood,

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which is also the title of Ziegler's new book.

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