We learned about Elon Musk through the cars,

through Tesla because they are so cool.

But I think what he really wants to be is utility.

You know, he's got the best supercharger network.

I mean, the other fast charging stations are terrible.

They do not compare in any way to the Tesla supercharger station.

He's needs to build more of those

and then he's basically another monopoly.

He's basically standard oil all over again.

I'm Chris Hill and that's Eddie Alterman.

He spent a decade as the editor-in-chief of car and driver

and he's got a new podcast called Car Show.

He really likes cars, so that's what this episode is all about.

Ricky Mulvey caught up with Eddie to talk about

the tenuous future of self-driving cars,

Tesla's chances at becoming a monopoly

and why traditional auto-makers don't get enough credit

from Wall Street.

We've talked about the story a little bit on our show

and it ties into this theme where like,

we're excited about the future of cars.

There's plenty of innovation to watch and it's cool.

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