Ah, she's brilliant. Miss, I finally got plans out the group chat. We get it. Four votes for a festival,

three for a city break. It's hard to adhere to everyone's needs. There's Betty with her oversized

tent. Sarah and her six foot eight boyfriend.

All right.

Roger Junior and his dog, Roger Senior.

And don't get us started on Mel.

But, like a marriage counselor, she's the one keeping things together.

All aboard Miss I finally got plans out the group chat. Keep everyone's plans alive when you

travel with us. P. and O'Ferees, there is another way. This is CBS I on the World.

Here's John Bachelor.

The war that made the Roman Empire Anthony Cleopatra and Octavian, at Actium.

Professor Barry Strauss is the author. He's the Beaumar Chair of Humanistic Studies at Cornell University,

the distinguished classicist of several books in this period for those

of us who do not have the Latin or the Greek.

It's a great treat to speak with Barry about a battle that I did not know to solve before this book, Actium.

It's understood as a naval battle.

Well, sort of.

It's also a battle of maneuver, and it teaches the lesson again and again we get in the

20th and the 21st century.

Tactics are for amateurs, logistics are for professionals.

And what you're about to hear is Barry Strouse's explication of how Octavian

defeated Antony because he had a logistical genius named Marcus Agrippa.

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