All right so waiting.

Just lean forward into the mic if you can please.

I will I will I'm just relaxing just give me a break I'm just you know these

are these things are stressful I'm trying to relax in between these podcasts.

Anyone knows how to relax, I think it's you.

Welcome to the Orvis Fly Fishing Guide Podcast with Tom Rosenberg, bringing you tips, tricks, and techniques to help you get the most from your time on the water.

Here's acclaimed fly fishing author and lifelong fly fishing enthusiasts Tom Rosenbauer.

Hi and welcome to the Orvis... fishing enthusiast Tom Rosenbower.

Hi and welcome to the Orvis Fly Fishing Guide Podcast.

This is Tom Rosenbower and this week I'd like to talk about felt versus rubber Rubber Souls on Waders and Wageshues because it's been a

been a huge topic in the blogs and in particular on Tom Chandler's Trout Underground blog.

If you're interested in really educating yourself,

not only on some of the science behind felt versus rubber,

but also what people are thinking what people are saying

I'd highly urge you to go and take a look at this the discussion on the trout

underground because there's some really thoughtful comments there there's some good science there's some really thoughtful comments there.

There's some good science.

There's some links to some good science about the

spread of invasive species by fly anglers.

So if you want to educate yourself and you got an hour or so because there's a lot of good stuff

there, check it out.

But I'd like to talk about, but Orvis' stand on Felt versus Rubber and what we've discovered in our product development

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