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Just because you win on the merits of the case doesn't mean you are forgiven for all the sins you may have committed during the course of it.

Many find the Trump administration's deportations to El Salvador contemptible.

That can be shrugged off. But a judge finding you in contempt,

that's a whole different thing. It's Thursday, April 17th, and this is here and now anytime.

From NPR and WBUR. I'm Chris Bentley.

Today on the show, Paul Simon once said there are angels in the architecture.

A lot of people have felt that sense of wonder visiting La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona,

even though the famous church still isn't finished 143 years after its groundbreaking.

We'll hear how its architect,

Antoni Gaudi, could become a saint in the Catholic Church. And unless you have the patience of a saint, work life might be stressing you out. Many people are reporting feeling paralyzed

by anxiety at work, becoming victims of burnout.

We think, okay, if I just get through this day, it'll be okay. And then you realize,

oh my goodness, I got to get through every day feeling like this.

Hang in there. Tips for dealing with burnout coming up at about 15 minutes. But first, the Trump administration

has until Wednesday to show it did not violate a federal judge's order last month when it sent

roughly 130 Venezuelan migrants to a maximum security prison in El Salvador. Yesterday, Judge James Bosberg said, quote,

the Constitution does not tolerate willful disobedience of judicial orders,

end quote, and threatened to hold members of the White House in criminal contempt.

Barbara McQuaid is a former federal prosecutor, now a law professor at the University of Michigan,

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