Fear of Being Butch
Nancy
WNYC Studios
4.8 • 3K Ratings
🗓️ 14 May 2017
⏱️ 24 minutes
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Summary
There’s no shame in asking for a ‘90s boy-band haircut.
— Khane Kutzwell's barbershop is Camera Ready Kutz.
Thanks to the many people helped produce Kathy's story on being butch: Esther Godoy and Madelaine Imber from Butch Is Not A Dirty Word, Rae Tutera from Bindle & Keep, the women of the Butch-Femme Social Club of LA, and everyone who talked to Kathy but didn’t make it into the final story: Lillian Faderman, BK Chan, and Aheri Stanford-Asiyo. We also had production help this week from Cathy Wong, Tommy Bazarian, and Rachel Matlow.
Episode scoring by Jeremy Bloom, Isaac Jones, Broke for Free ("Calm the Fuck Down"), and James Pants ("Bird"). Theme by Alexander Overington.
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| 0:00.0 | There was a couple from Baltimore and they had a daughter. |
| 0:07.0 | I think she was five or six and she wanted a short haircut with a Batman symbol. |
| 0:14.0 | And everyone refused to cut this little girl's hair and they traveled from Baltimore all the way to Brooklyn. |
| 0:23.0 | I cut her hair, we put the Batman symbol on it and the look on her face when she looked in the mirror was perriceless. |
| 0:35.0 | And it's so funny when that happened because I was feeling really down. |
| 0:39.0 | I was like, man, you know, I'm in my 40s and I still don't have my shop and this and that. |
| 0:44.0 | And when I saw that little girl's face, I was like, this is why I do what I do. |
| 0:49.0 | From WNYC Studios, this is Nancy. |
| 0:53.0 | With your host Tobin Lowe and Kathy Hue. |
| 1:04.0 | You know what I want to talk about? |
| 1:06.0 | Tell me Tobin. |
| 1:07.0 | I made up a term. It's called peacocking. |
| 1:10.0 | I feel like somebody's used that already. |
| 1:13.0 | Peacocking as defined by Tobin Lowe means that period of time where you come out, |
| 1:19.0 | but you're going through the awkward phase of how to visually reflect that on the outside and you're aesthetic. |
| 1:25.0 | You do the process of how the outside reflects the inside. |
| 1:29.0 | Yes, okay. Yes. |
| 1:31.0 | So for me, that meant that when I had come out and was like, I want to reflect that on the outside, |
| 1:37.0 | I wore like a full-on suit and tie to like college courses every day. |
| 1:44.0 | And not in like a, I'm a professional kind of way. |
| 1:48.0 | No, no, no. Like in a dapper, like I'm going to wear a long tie with like a dress shirt and maybe like a smart sweater zip-dap over it. |
| 1:59.0 | I think I carried an umbrella. |
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