This is Hidden Killers with Tony Bruske. Here now, Tony Bruske.

It's one thing for a murder suspect to have a close relationship with their parents.

It's another to place three hours of phone calls to your mother within moments of butchering four people.

But that's exactly what we've just learned about Brian Koeberger.

Newly unsealed records don't just confirm the calls we've already heard rumors about. They put

timestamps, durations, and frequency to them. A 36-minute call not long after returning home

to Pullman. A 54-minute call later that morning while he was driving back towards the crime scene.

More calls throughout the day, all adding up to more than three hours of contact with one person.

Mommy.

We're not here to demonize a parent for answering the phone not at all but what does this pattern

tell us about brian coberger is it just habits the way some people text their spouse or parent

every day or is it something more calculated or more desperate was he seeking comfort trying to normalize his day after doing something horrifying?

Or was this part of a subconscious need to be validated to hear the one voice that would never challenge him?

And then there's the way he referred to them.

Mother, father, not mom or dad in his phone contacts, in his messages and

conversations. On one occasion, he texted his mother, father, why is mother not answering the phone?

It's such a clinical, formal way to speak about the two people closest to you. It borders on

theatrical. Some might say Norman Bates-esque.

Is this an intentional affectation, a reflection or emotional distance, or a symptom of a mind that

lives in labels rather than relationships? Former FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program

Robin Drake joining us.

He spent years dissecting the behaviors of manipulators, spies, and predators.

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